Mac Users Please Help!

[Trausti Hraunfjord]

I already asked this question in the FPP forums, but for whatever reason, it is too much of a problem for people there to respond with a simple "Yes" or "No".

The situation: My programmer uses a PC mouse with a scroll wheel with the iMac.
When he views FPP panoramas in windowed mode, scrolling the mouse wheel does not work to zoom in or out.
In fullscreen the mouse wheel works for zoom without any problems.

What I need to know is: Are other Mac users experiencing the same thing? Is it "normal" for the mouse wheel not working for zoom in windowed mode?

If this is simply a problem on this end, then it is of no importance, but if it is a general "issue" for other Mac users as well, then we can have a solution.

Please pretty please!

[VitoDiVita]

Will test this in the morning for you and report back.

[Bruce Hemming]

Hi Trausti

I'm getting exactly the same behaviour on my Imac with a Mac Mighty Mouse which has a scroll ball. If you scroll L-R as well as U-D it zooms the image. Interestingly on a QT mov at both windowed and full screen using the scroll ball acts like clicking and dragging with the cursor - which personally I like, I'm not overly bothered by the scroll not zooming in Flash movies.

Why the behaviours differ I have no idea - but if I had a preference I would rather be able to use the scroll ball to drag the view than zoom.

Regards

Bruce

[VitoDiVita]

Does not work for me with my Wacom Mouse on my Mac.

[sairart]

Does not work for me with my Wacom Mouse on my Mac.

I've never been able to use Wacom mouse with FPP on Mac. When trying drag the panorama, it will get stuck on mouse movements even when none of keys are pressed. After this the only solution is to force the browser program shut down. Well, I'll test this tomorrow also with Mac's mighty mouse.

-Pentti

[Trausti Hraunfjord]

Check the example here (with macs + scroll wheel mouse):

http://flashificator.com/1/2/asdf/index.html

There the zooming should work for both windowed and fullscreen ... well, that's all good and dandy... considering that the pano doesn't have a fullscreen button but at least you can test it in the windowed mode.

And you can turn on the blues station while you are there, and enjoy the sound.

This is a version of yesterday. Todays version is much better... and will be seen soon.

[terrycm]

Looking good, just one observation. The scroll up and down through stations is so close to the edge that its very difficult to make that little triangle show up let alone click. Will you be able to connect specific songs to each pano with this new mp3 player?

[Trausti Hraunfjord]

Yes, the "bar-lets" with the arrows on are small and "slippery"... I have just discussed this matter with the programmer, and probably I delivered him a better solution (a few pixels of transparent skin behind the arrow that is away from the player (the one close to the player is not a problem, since the list does not disappear if you get past the arrow).

... but you can also use the mouse scroll wheel inside the list. For a very long list of songs, clicking the arrow (or anywhere on the bar it is on) will start scrolling slowly, but it picks up speed quite quickly.
You can also decide how many songs/stations will show up in the list. If there is a list with 100 songs/stations, you will be able to click and drag to expand the list (not applied right now, but will be there tomorrow).

As to assigning specific songs or stations to specific panos in a tour.... What do you take us for?? Of course that will be possible. It will be added with the real time functions for plugins that he will be jumping into once this current work is "over".

Also notice how you can scroll backwards on the radio stations, to listen to songs that have already played... something I have not seen on any other radio station software... not that it may not exist, but I simply haven't seen it. Winamp doesn't allow it, nor does the iTunes player in the Mac.

The desktop version of the player will be skinnable and with song/performer/bitrate/station info screen available. That will probably also result in the same for the FFC version.... and for the web version (when incorporated in html or flash websites).

[amoscowdog]

Check the example here (with macs + scroll wheel mouse)

Very smooth zoom in and out with the Apple Magic Mouse.

And you can turn on the blues station while you are there, and enjoy the sound.
This is a version of yesterday. Todays version is much better... and will be seen soon.

Very nice work mate, player is coming on a treat.

Tony

[Trausti Hraunfjord]

Arrow issue fixed.
Please clean the browser cache if you have seen the previous state of the player, and click the link for it again:
http://flashificator.com/1/2/asdf/index.html

Now it is possible to still use the scroller, even if a little outside the list (5-6 pixels).

By all means, let me know if you see something you think should or could be better.

[Bruce Hemming]

Hi Trausti

With the Mac Mighty Mouse it works scrolling L-R but not U-D - zooming also works in the same way. Using a conventional scroll wheel mouse it works as expected. There are options to restrict the Mighty Mouse to Vertical only, Vertical and Horizontal and 360 Degree ( mine is of course set to 360 degree) When set to Vertical and Horizontal the scroll works for zooming in both directions but the mp3 list only works scrolling in horizontal direction. When set to Vertical only it works in both zoom and mp3 player BUT is very patchy - sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Now Mighty Mice are notorious for getting crap under the scroll ball and not working properly but I made sure that mine was clean and working properly before making these tests. I think this must be an anomaly only related to Mighty Mice. I'm not sure if this is the default mouse supplied with a Mac - I think that it is here in the UK but that may differ in other markets.

Sorry - not what you want to hear but then again the majority of viewers are likely to be PC users so this shouldn't arise as a problem for them.

Regards

Bruce

[sairart]

Hi Trausti,

Here Mac Mighty Mouse is working with your test pano. But only as Bruce described: L-R and U-D mouse's scroller ball works only for zooming. Anyway, zooming is working smoothly. For me Vertical and Horizontal and 360 degree are working just same way - only zooming when scrolling vertically or horizontally. Similar behaviour when scrolling stations.

Also notice how you can scroll backwards on the radio stations, to listen to songs that have already played...

This doesn't seem to work for me. Go Backwards doesn't work at all and Previous Song takes to previous station (for example from Classics to Blues).

-Pentti

[Trausti Hraunfjord]

How does the mighty problematic mouse behave when you use the scrolling in a fullscreen panorama?

The only thing that has been done, is to enable scroll wheel zoom in windowed mode. No super special tricks apart.

As to "scrolling" the radio stations on already played songs... what I was trying to communicate (and miserably failed) was to say that if you click and drag in the "progress bar" (black/white line at the bottom of the player), you will be able to listen to songs you have already heard, and the stream continues to stream.

hope that makes it clearer.

[sairart]

Fullscreen panoramas works very well with the Mighty Mouse. The scroll ball can be problematic if you have jammy fingers as I do quite often Need a Magic Mouse

I could never guess that by dragging progress bar you can rewind the tape. But now it's obvious. Hope that customers are a bit cleverer than me

Thank's Trausti

-Pentti

[Trausti Hraunfjord]

I could never guess that by dragging progress bar you can rewind the tape. But now it's obvious. Hope that customers are a bit cleverer than me

There you go... one of the things that are "obvious" to us who are making it, yet not obvious to those who are supposed to use and benefit from it.... So there will be added a tooltip informing of this feature.... same for the scrolling arrows of the play list.

[Bruce Hemming]

Hi Trausti

Just ran another series of tests, on my Imac running 10.5.8. Viewing your test pano using the scroll ball will zoom the view in windowed mode. With the mouse set to 360 degree scrolling it works in all directions but there are noticeable delays and lags - sometimes. I've checked on two different iMacs using different mice and on both I'm getting erratic performance.

Viewing one of my own panos using the scroll ball of the Mighty Mouse will only zoom in fullscreen mode. I guess this proves that whatever changes you have made work.

Regards

Bruce

[terrycm]

Trausti how close are we on this mp3/FFC update, I don't want to pin you down on a date but I'd love to use this on a project in the works. Are we talking weeks or months?

[Trausti Hraunfjord]

Thanks Bruce for testing so thoroughly. So only 360° scrolling is negatively affected with Mac Mice? Not a total loss then

And Terry... you press me to press for an approximate release... thank you for that .... the answer I got was "a month"... so that is what I relay back to you, without having any guarantee that it will even be close to it on either end of the time-scale.

I really want the next update... as in REALLY.... but currently the developing version is with a lot of parts that don't work, due to ongoing works. So there is no way to have it released.

[terrycm]

Thanks for giving me an update, it definitely helps me in my work knowing whether or not to hold off completing a project with/without the new mp3 feature.